- Approach each topic with the mindset that each person is doing the best they can with the
knowledge they have, staff and player alike.
- Please avoid topics around current events. Nothing should be revealed in an OOC meeting that
others would prefer to find out in game ICly.
- This is not the correct forum for criticism of a specific player or a topic centered around one
player. If there are concerns about a specific player, please address that with staff privately.
- This is not the correct forum for bringing up policy violations. If there are instances of
perceived policy violations, please address that with staff privately."
Calivion states, "If I weren't on my phone "
Scarry says, "It's oki, I can do it."
Karrin queries, "Now that we've gotten that out of the way, how was RP this week, folks?"
Scarry states, "Lol"
Scarry states, "Lmao"
Rambling says, "That's a really stupid question."
Eeel says, "WELL"
Meiari claims, "Very active and busy >_>"
Ysandre says OOCly, "It was interesting."
Karrin trails off, "It's a routine...."
Karrin has transferred WeedEater. [OOC]
Hibiscus declaims, "It's been great!"
Rosamund states, "RP was DRAMATIC. I loved it. I also have a tiny topic that will probably end up being an idea board, but I figured I'd bring it up here first. "
Amastan states, "It was quite fun."
Sororitas pontificates, "Rp was great for me! I had a grand time!"
Frederick states, "Lots to do, lots to do"
Rambling states, "Well! It happened, and then it stopped."
Prythe nods. "I agree with Rosa. Good times this week, drama and all."
MaskedHarlequin claims, "It was sort of all over. All in interesting ways. Would do again."
Temi gives a twisted string toy hanging a trussed-up tiny wood bluejay to WeedEater.
Scarry states, "Personally I did have a lot of fun."
Pippa says, "I was out a bunch for the holidays but what I was around for was good"
Karrin wonders, "ANy other topics?"
Ysandre raises her hand.
Bigman states, "It has been incredibly amusing to be a fly on the wall where my PC is utterly
uninvolved as of yet but to still see some scenes explode in public places.
Secondarily: Shout-out to the amount of buy-in people have been doing for my relatively small-time concept among the HUGE amounts of politics happening."
ThatBard states, "I finally had time to sit and rp with people. It was great. We even had a tiny
event and all that."
Rambling claims, "I gave everyone fun at my own expense, idk I only have a dril tweet that
encapsulates the feeling of this"
WeedEater states, "Thanks! I've been gone most of this week. sadly."
Rambling says, "'so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement'"
Scarry states, "Much drama and intrigue. And rumors. Love the use of the rumor system judiciously.
Keep doing that."
AColorlessVoid says OOCly, "Iii will say that I did not expect to get drawn back into TI:L so
quickly. I played years ago and left with a sour memory, then had a random dream that made me check in. I saw some kind comments on r/MUD and decided to hop in, and one thing led to another, and I ended up rolling a character 'just cause why not' while I thought of something else to play, and now I've gotten 30 rp hours in the past week."
Amastan says, "That's also exactly what's going on with me, Colorless."
Amastan says, "But hey, I'll take it."
Temi grins.
Hibiscus declaims, "Yes the rumors have been wonderful!"
Meiari states, "Glad we could hook returning players :3"
AColorlessVoid claims, "The addition of xterm colors is something I super love, the update to the
rooms is all so fancy and fun, and ... I'm a bit happier with the overall tone from people than I
remember being years ago."
Calivion claims, "I'll have to try harder to be less welcoming "
Temi says, "We are glad to be addictive"
Ikeala claims, "So glad the Dream spell hit people IRL to draw folks back in."
AColorlessVoid nods in agreement.
Frederick states, "Heh.."
Scarry claims, "It's all my doing, obviously (it's not)"
ThatBard muses, "The dreams are really cool. Can we recommend our wiz
Scarry states, "Yes, personal board note it! Admins can relay it."
AColorlessVoid claims, "Someone I won't name described me as being 'fun drama' back when I played, and hopefully I can keep that reputation up."
Capitalism claims, "Grandmaster Void magic seeping into RL again."
Capitalism says, "Gotta love it."
Bigman says, "That one, inquisitor, get-'er! @thatbard yes, I've done recs for unknown people
before, request board with as much detail as you can."
Temi says, "You can request board to send recommends for the IC dreams"
Temi claims, "The RL dreams may be harder for us to pinpoint"
Rambling states, "It's Ikeala's fault"
Karrin claims, "Oh, wow, I look away for TWO MINUTES. There has been quite a lot going on."
AColorlessVoid says to Karrin, "THATLL LEARN YA"
Meiari states to Karrin, "Well don't look away, we needy folk"
Sororitas claims, "Please recommend our mage players doing funny things! I quite love when they come out to play even when they won't let me come say hi directly."
Bigman trails off, "Mister sandman.... give me a dream~~"
Rosamund declares, "Agreed!"
Karrin states, "I do make sure the recommends for the people doing shananigans that you can't know who it is gets to the people involved."
HIEROPHANT states to Temi, "I'll get right on that"
Scarry says, "Also sorry for all new people having to deal with my horrible goblin creature."
Eeel states, "RP for me has been fun though. A bit stressful at times but otherwise okay."
Scarry says, "Squint"
Rambling says, "I've said my piece."
Ikeala says, "You can and should (if you like!) recommend folks for magical shenanigans, it can be encouraging when a lot of RP can be hearing wizards are evil etc, so getting the reminder people like your goings on means a lot."
Karrin states, "Ok. So, we'll start with staff updates, then go to our topic. If there's more topics
that come up, send me a message."
Eeel says, "Not as Gwyn Scarry, Gwyn has been chill"
Karrin says to Temi, "You can go first."
Karrin claims, "Yeeeeah, ICly they're evil, OOCly we can love their drama and chaos."
Scarry states, "I'm german I'm incapable of love. Only angy."
Prythe claims, "LOL"
Temi claims, “Yes, so mostly the holiday this week and seeing to requests and things"
Scarry says, "Oh yeah we were pretty active for a holiday season. Weird."
Calivion claims, "And efficiency "
Karrin states, "For my three with topics, pre-type for me, please."
Temi queries, "I am considering breaking up the ice that is freezing over the Bren this week
though... do people feel like that would be too soon, or are you ready for the thaw now?"
Karrin nods at Temi.
Frederick states, "The slipping makes for some pretty funny conversation. Not too fussed either way tho"
KindledFlames states, "The bridges are bullies"
Scarry claims, "I'll miss the fishies, but we are going to like late winter. So I think it's okay."
ThatBard claims, "But Temi.. I love watching the npcs slip on ice."
Pippa nods in agreement with KindledFlames.
Karrin claims, "With the understanding that in a few weeks when Christmas starts up for the world, we intend to drop another event to keep you busy if things get slow here."
Prythe says, "I will miss people falling on their asses, but meh."
Temi nods in agreement.
Temi claims, "Probably with less slip-and-falls"
Karrin states, "Most likely, yep."
Temi says, "And a little more familiar."
Karrin nods in agreement with Temi.
Bigman claims, "I think we had no risk of things slowing down right about now lmao"
Scarry states, "Never say never, christmas is even busier because it's not just an american only
holiday that time."
ThatBard states, "The Bards will host another Ball in about two weeks for Spring Awakening. so get your dancing shoes out, everyone. XD"
Rosamund says, "It's going to be a busy spring xD"
Scarry states, "Bwahaha I don't have to dance."
Karrin states, "Well, I have opinions. I think that the fish kept people from totally flicker
logging (because something to do), which made it easier to keep RP. When pop is low, it's usually because people flicker, check who, and then log off. And, two minutes later, someone else does the same thing. Rinse and repeat all day."
Temi states, "Okay, so, not hearing any big uproar... get your fishing done today, catch any last
sterlets, and I'll break up the ice and replace the frozen terrain later tonight."
Karrin nods at Temi.
MaskedHarlequin nods.
ThatBard states, "Thank you for doing all that for us, Temi."
Bigman says, "@karrin That's why I tend to idle in public places a lot, and usually write my PCs to be able to do that. Flicker logging is a real problem."
Scarry states, "...Man, I want an aquarium now where you can keep caught fishes."
Karrin claims, "Flicker logging is sometimes necessary. People pop in to check rumors and mail when they're out and about."
Rambling says, "Sometimes you do it for a year straight"
Eeel trails off, "Lol..."
Karrin states, "But, we have had a lovely number of people through this holiday."
Temi says, "And if you want to preserve a sterlet you've caught, we've swapped them out for trophies for people for minor RPA QP."
Prythe states, "If anyone has the QP but can't get the fish, Prythe has two of them right now, and
has been asking people if they'd like them, so you could conceivably have heard he has them."
Ysandre says, "I actually had time off to play. Going back to being absent again starting today
though
"AColorlessVoid nods in agreement with Ysandre.
Scarry says, "Oof. Such is life."
Karrin says, "Oh, goodness."
Calivion states, "I have two characters, I will play one and flicker log on the other so I am not
multiplaying but also available "
Karrin nods at Calivion.
Karrin claims, "As for me, I processed a lot (see 40 or 50?) recommends mid-week to ease some of the weight off of Magdalena. And she handled another 30+ today. So, keep them coming, we don't mind. It's lovely to see."
Scarry claims, "Big numbers. Huge. The most numbers you'll ever see."
Temi claims, "Until we get bigger numbers. Show us bigger ones."
Temi nods at Scarry.
Karrin says, "Hah, I think the biggest we've had in a very long time. I remember a few months ago being excited about like, 25 recommends. So, closing in on 70 or 80 is certainly awesome. But, yes to... more. More and more."
Ysandre claims, "Can one not play two alts at the same time in different scenes? I don't have an alt yet, but I didn't know that as a no-no."
Temi says, "You are allowed to"
Scarry states, "They just can't be in the same scene."
Karrin states, "They can, absolutely. But, when chaos like this happens, people will often stick to
the alt most involved, so they can avoid the other ones being pulled in and avoid cross."
Karrin claims to Temi, "And that."
Frederick asks, "Challenge....... Accepted?"
Scarry says, "Just be like me and only play one char”
Ysandre says OOCly, "Fair fair."
Scarry claims, ";)"
AColorlessVoid claims, "I kind of wish there was a 'Dont forget to recommend people!' somewhere, unless there is and I missed it. I only remembered to write mine when the recs popped and Karrin mentioned them on OOC."
Ysandre says, "I only have one char atm, but I've been deliberating."
Karrin claims, "No faster way to have to reveal your alts than to go, "Sorry, I'm already involved
on another character, I can't." I mean, it's NOT, because theoretically, many are involved. But it
can feel sticky for people."
Temi states, "We had a backlog item for that at some point.. I don't think we ever got to it."
Karrin nods in agreement with Temi.
Scarry states, "Alts are fun, but be careful, attention splitting is hard. At least for me
personally."
Bigman says, " Don't forget to recommend people! And that's the reason I don't do alts @karrin. I tend to get my fingers in too many pies as is."
Karrin says, "Yeah, some people can safely play many alts. Some struggle and do better with one or two characters."
Temi declares to AColorlessVoid, "But there is this meeting!"
AColorlessVoid grins at Temi.
AColorlessVoid exclaims, "I know, in the future, I'll probably be at work this time most every week. Just caught me on a vacation week!"
Karrin says, "Alright, we do have several topics, so I'd like to get started."
Scarry says, "Did Lochan do things? Of course he did. He always does... The spaghetti is endless and relentless."
Karrin states, "Lochan was mostly on vaca, but always steps in when we have emergencies."
Karrin claims to Rosamund, "Your go."
Rosamund wonders, "Just a minor thing. Currently, the creatable animal clumps are only in
Leatherworking that I could tell. In general this seems a little odd when I think about. I was
wondering if there might be some consideration to have it also added as a husbandry recipe?"
Karrin defers to Temi for crafting.
Rosamund claims, "Or Herbalism maybe, but Husbandry felt like it made more sense since animals."
Temi asks, "Do you have what recipe it is off hand?"
Rosamund says, "I can find it quick, one second"
Rosamund states, "Leather 1608 Cover Scent"
Scarry states, "You know I thought it's chandlery because it's sneef sneef related."
Temi says, "I don't know that it makes a whole lot of sense as a leather working recipe at all,
might make sense to switch over."
Sororitas claims, "I would love a husbandry craft for that. Even if musk glands are not a super
common drop."
Temi claims, "Probably is just leatherworking because that's where the product comes from, but I don't really care if you buy the stuff."
Eeel claims, "I think herbalism would make the most sense"
Ikeala states, "It is mildly funny that Axe Spray: Extreme Edition the Mostly Manly of perfumes
doesn't count. "
Eeel claims, "Maybe both"
Scarry says, "I think Husbandry is making the most sense to me."
Temi says, "Probably husbandry does make the most sense based on its purpose being manipulation of animals, yeah."
Temi claims, "Okay, yeah, I think we can swap that over."
Rosamund declares, "Yay! Thank you"
Sororitas says, "Hell yeah."
Karrin states, "Outstanding."
Karrin states to Frederick, "You're next."
Frederick claims, "This is gonna be a lot, I pre-typed a buncha stuff. Brace. SO."
Frederick states, "I have been been here for three weeks. So far, things have been exciting: I have met great roleplayers and in general had a great time. I try to send my recommends to people and have been writing more because of it; I do want to show my appreciation properly"
Frederick states, "There is one thing I did notice though, and which a couple other new people I
nudged seem to run into also. Occasionally, even as card-carrying new sorts, with characters very much from out of town, we run into situations where both ICly and OOCly more established PCs can respond with indignance and shock for people acting in what would seem to be perfectly normal behavior in-character. I understand that I am new here. I understand some people are not, and that they consider certain things deeply obvious after years of getting used to them."
Frederick states, "But I'm still going to ask for a little understanding for your fellow roleplayer
here. Some of us do our best, read what we can, and will still draw our own conclusions or do things a little differently. If it's egregious enough that it stops making sense, bring it up OOC, forward a helpfile, think of something. There are a lot of great tools out there to make sure people have the information and means necessary to portray a good and believable character"
Frederick states, "But please try that before going out your way ICly to condescend to what often
seem like perfectly normal people in the environment. It can be deeply discouraging to come up with something, read the helpfiles, see what's out there, just to be met with scorn that often feels born of sentiments that aren't entirely in character."
Frederick says, "It isn't a big issue in the grand scheme of things. And on the whole, I'm very glad to be here. I told two people who noticed the same issue I'd bring it up also, so here I am, and I'm glad there is a place where I can say these things and be heard
"Frederick says, "Ok thanks"
Eeel says, "Weow"
Eeel says, "Weow"
AColorlessVoid nods in agreement.
Ikeala states, "I admit that without specific examples, which maybe can't be given I'm a bit
confused."
Amastan states, "Do you mean actions that go against lore or like, the theme of TI? Sorry, I'm
trying to understand what you mean by actions that make perfect sense but lead to shock."
Amastan claims, "Because that confused me."
Temi states, "Always a good reminder in general, though yeah, it's a bit hard to know exactly what the concern is."
Eeel asks, "So the issue is you do something that seems normal, but for whatever reason in the world of TI it's considered improper, and people respond with scorn/derision/condensation etc?"
Temi gives a twisted string toy hanging a trussed-up tiny wood bluejay to Aerlyn.
HIEROPHANT states, "I think perhaps a clarifying addition in here might be 'things that seem
perfectly normal -to me-', here"
HIEROPHANT queries, "A complaint about unwritten rules, as it were, is my interpretation?"
Scarry says, "Well, first of all, I hope I never did that and if I did, I am sorry. But I might be
also kind of confused right now."
ThatBard asks, "To Cyan players?"
Amastan says, "I definitely agree with being kinder to newer players. I'm a returning player but
I've made a couple of mistakes lore-wise about things myself, this week, and I was just ICly nudged towards what actually -is- proper."
Karrin claims, "I will say, without knowing where everything is coming from, that being 'nice' ICly
isn't required. Even to cyans. You're going to run into PCs with several demeanors, and cyan
protection is about them not getting into trouble with their own actions (and-or warned of such),
but doesn't mean people have to change their character's personality."
Rambling claims, "...you mean like cap doffing as a greeting? I've had a (previous) character yelled at for that icly because some people interpret it IC as improper because decency expectations."
Calivion states, "So... I will give an example of what I think you are talking about might be in
order but also like.... I have a character that will always look down on Hillfolk and Charali. That
is an IC judgment. OOC though if you ask for help or clarification I am more than glad to help"
Bigman states, "I think I have some thoughts, perhaps."
Karrin claims, "I will also say that if we're going to make assertions that people are crossing
IC/OOC lines (i.e. Being OOCly nasty), that is not for this meeting, that should come straight to
me."
HIEROPHANT says, "^"
Frederick says, "Hierophant seems to have the right of it really. I've seen things here and there
that I roleplayed doing X and got met with deeply jarring responses that were treated as glaringly obvious by characters when that was not implied by anything I'd seen. This seems to be a common feeling among some other new people I've talked to. And no, it isn't even about things that ARE evident. The likes of talking smack to nobles or disrespecting the church are very sincerely obvious bad ideas."
HIEROPHANT ponders a moment.
Frederick says, "Anyway. Thank you for taking that in earnest good faith, Karrin. I'll be happy (or
at least content, hah) to nudge you if I think it appropriate for a given scene yeah"
Bigman says, "Gonna preface this with: I am enjoying the game by and large, and a lot at that. So this is a "I think it could be better if..."
So I feel like there is both ICly a lot of assumed knowledge of history and who's who, that is
simply impossible for new players to know that characters are still held accountable for. While it
is part of a feudal and unfair system, I feel giving new characters the chance to learn, and to
realize that maybe the PLAYER doesn't know this information, would be welcomed. That isn't to say no consequences, I am all for consequence, but it seems like some characters suffer from not meta-assuming knowledge. This makes getting into the political arena very hard, and it becomes a pitfall to then take out the up-and-coming, sort of creating stagnation in the top.
Secondarily, and less pressingly so, some OOC systems are assumed common player knowledge. Please bear in mind, especially around Cyans, that really, they CAN and ARE new players.
Since people asked for examples (without going into IC details): It's about subtle differences in
precedence, or in like weight of characters' position relatively to others, which is just a very
experience based thing, you have to have a little experience with the vibe and the way that politics are done in TI specifically. I say this as a person who has over a decade of political roleplay experience. Now this sometimes leads to people assuming OOC mis-judgements to be intentional IC slights. This, IC consequence is given because that's the RP-bead that people read into it, when the actual RP-bead is: This person didn't interpret a helpfile correctly/didn't know about some often unwritten rules born from experience around one another."
Calivion states, "I think the reminder to be kind to Cyans is always good but maybe you need to talk to Karrin or Temi about the specifics if certain players need to be nudged "
Meiari nods in agreement with Cal
AColorlessVoid claims, "I will chime in and just say that, sometimes, exerpienced players might not appreciate that there are things new players don't even know to ask about. I have seen a few people kind of slightly skirt that 'why don't they know this?' response ICly without addressing it OOCly, though never in a way that I thought they were being intentionally nasty. But I have had the thought, esp. when watching some interactions with OTHER cyans, since I -am not- a new player, the person could be just a bit more helpful of ignorance, whether to code or lore. Which isn't necesarrily a requirement of that person, I don't think, but -- it is a thing I've seen a couple times myself since returning."
Karrin states, "Yeah, absolutely. Come to me if cyans are being shit on."
AColorlessVoid states, "I would hazard to say the people are thinking they are being helpful, but
for a really brand new player, where they might still be getting accustomed to even what different
emotes look like and everything, supplying a nudge ICly might not land as well as a simple 'Hey,
this helpfile might be appropriate to mention here'."
Amastan says, "If it's about precedence and social rules and all that, yeah, for sure. Cyans and
newer players need time to absorb all the lore and history of TI - I tend to just wave it away and
assume that it's not intentional if there's something iffy even by REGULAR players, and only then clarify if it happens more than once. Thankfully, I haven't run into much of an issue myself in that regard. As a cyan."
Temi says, "And precedence and social rules is tough, because it doesn't necessarily follow exactly how things are written up in helpfiles either."
Amastan nods.
Karrin states, "(With the understanding that some cyans are warned, and go with it. And therefore...(hopefully) understand what poo they are stepping in. And unless you are part of that convo, you don't know.)"
AColorlessVoid nods in agreement.
Amastan states, "Also depends entirely on the characters themselves, the characters who are meant tobe enforcing it, and so on."
Ezekiel states, "Also social rules can sway heavily depending on company."
HIEROPHANT says, "I can say there are things within the world that many characters take very
seriously, to the point of starting conflict IC over, that are not laid out in plain language in the
helpfiles. Whether that's doing things that 'seem magey' to the pious, 'low-brow' to other
gentryfolk, 'silky' to the Brotherhood or proud freemen, and so on.Much of that is visible in the game world, be it city lore, monuments, locales, books, etc. but is not in obvious places that are easy to digest. Others are not.
I will remind here that not knowing why someone is hostile does not equate to OOC hostility."
Temi trails off, "Like officially the Seneschal is at the level of a Duke. In practice..."
Amastan nods.
Karrin nods in agreement with HIEROPHANT.
Karrin says, "Yeah, that's a biggie, honestly."
Scarry states, "My social anxiety is kicking my ass right now, oof."
Calivion says, "And some characters are just assholes. "
Ikeala says, "Also, I say this very, very carefully but it does seem (at times) that even mild
social agitation or chastisement is seen as an OOC condamnation. When sometimes I think established folks try and make learning those things an IC experience (even if it's slightly frosty) rather than just making it OOC spamming helpfiles at folks etc."
Karrin states, "Alright, at least keep an eye out established players, especially as we have more
cyans coming in."
Scarry says, "Because now I feel like I might have given people the vibes of this unknowingly."
Frederick states, "I did say I'm sure there are good reasons. I'm glad to be proven right, of
course. The experience on the other end does not change for this."
Karrin nods in agreement with Ikeala.
AColorlessVoid nods in agreement with Frederick.
Amastan states, "You can always reach out to the LAW to ask about things like sumptuary and social rules as well."
Amastan grins.
Frederick claims, "But I am not here to attack anyone, nor to call them out, and if Karrin would prefer hearing then I'll bring the receipts when it might be necessary. I'll be glad to do my part of course"
InvestSouthside states, ""This is also what our Aides are good for by the way if you dont feel like
it's a staff issue and uncomfy asking the people you are in a scene with"
Karrin claims, "I only need to hear it if we feel there is a policy problem."
Eeel exclaims, "Yeah! Ask aides stuff!"
Ezekiel says, "I think most people are pretty okay with a tell for some quick clarification on
things too if there aren't aides around."
ThatBard claims, "If you feel like you want etiquette lessons, then ask the Bards. XD"
Karrin nods in agreement.
AColorlessVoid claims, "Imo, saying 'my character is just an asshole' isn't a great defense towards being snippy to a cyan. but ymmv"
HIEROPHANT claims, "It's unfortunate if not knowing why someone is aggressive is frustrating, and understandable - but people are under no obligations to clarify IC actions OOC.
Some people are just assholes, as mentioned. Some people prefer to teach lessons harshly, not
gently. That's just how some characters behave."
Frederick says, "There is a cliche in tabletop land we like to call 'it's what my character would
do'. It is seldom seen as a good line to use."
StarSong states, "I've been careful asking lot of questions about social rules because i don't want to mess up at all. It makes me anxious."
HIEROPHANT claims, "Oh, absolutely, but the difference here is you don't know the difference betweenn a justified reason and an unjustified one; there's no above-table conversation happening, yes? If someone is being an asshole, you're not privy to why - and they're not likely to explain themselves.
If you think they're crossing a line, staff can inquire for you."
Ysandre is idle.
Amastan says, "I think there are a lot of characters ICly who have some authority who are
understanding and welcoming for questions from newer players who want to get adjusted to theme. E.g the bards as said would be happy to talk about social rules, the Reeves about laws, the Order about religion. They're all heavy topics and no one can be expected to come into the game as a new player with perfect knowledge. And I think the PCs in those orgs aren't going to assume you're a mage or whatever because you make a mistake and don't know everything, yet."
Amastan says, "So reach out, really. They'll help."
HIEROPHANT nods.
Sororitas nods
Rambling claims, "People should check with each other OOC more often. Tells exist for a reason."
Ezekiel claims, "And if you make a misstep just apologize appropriately and -usually- people don't think twice about it."
Pippa says, "Absolutely"
ThatBard says, "We also have a representative of the Common folk somewhere. Fi you want to ask how to be a Freeman."
Frederick states, "That's a lot of assumptions to make for anyone new, mr Hierophant. It is the
equivalent of not knowing how new someone is, what consideration is good, what they can be expected to OOCly know, what they should know to properly portray a character."
Prythe "The Phyiscians are always happy to talk about the dangers of being out in the snow without a hood. rattlecough
ThatBard claims, "*if"
Bigman claims, "Nothing more satisfying than hearing a "Hey, I'm fully good with this scene, *bring it on*" >:D"
Rambling says, "And if not tells, pboards, we've got those"
AColorlessVoid says, "A truly new player, brought it because they heard good things about the game,isn't likely to ask staff why the first person they met is antagonistic to them. And if being a jerk to a cyan, I think a quick OOC blurb as to why can go a long way."
HIEROPHANT claims, "Tells, osays, or tells to staff for mysterious figures, shadows, talking
animals, etc."
Calivion states, "Colorless... one day. I don't want to give too much away but my character is a
jerk. Also I will help anyone who asks so.. *shrug* I am not going to dump on a cyan but come south side wearing jewels you _will_ get a cyan warning"
Karrin claims, "Check with each other to make sure people are OK OOCly and understand things are not OOC and are IC - but not check with people to ask them to justify their IC actions OOCly, or be a grumbler. (Just to be clear.)"
Amastan nods.
AColorlessVoid states, "*agree calivion*"
WeedEater is idle.
Frederick says, "The proper amount of consideration goes both ways, surely. I'd appreciate for
everyone to keep that in mind and not only to remind one side of the divide here of such things."
HIEROPHANT claims, "Yeah, there's no obligation to explain IC reasoning through OOC means. People are free to, if they choose to, but that's up to them. There is a degree of unfriendliness to be expected and dealt with."
Frederick says, "Ok."
HIEROPHANT nods.
Karrin states, "And also keep a half-mind that if someone comes to you and your tells grumbly about such things, guiding them to me or to a guide is appropriate. Tells aren't for spreading OOC angst, but I do understand staff can be scary. I am the disciplinarian, and this week especially, that has been quite evident."
Karrin states, "We -are- a dark low-fantasy game. Everything will not be puppies and kittens and
rainbows. It gets really boring around here when it is."
WeedEater is no longer idle.
WeedEater has returned from AFK.
Scarry states, "Says you, but personally I love puppies and kitties."
Scarry states, "Please drown me in them."
Rambling claims, "Its been a week"
Ezekiel states, "Always good to remember that just because characters are assholes doesn't mean the players are. Some of the nicest players I know really enjoy playing vile characters."
Calivion says, "Karrin isn't scary. She has only broken my kneecaps once and it was on accident
HIEROPHANT claims, "Yeah, that."
HIEROPHANT claims, "Both things."
Karrin states, "Alright. So I'll say this."
AColorlessVoid wonders, "Sure. But if you can't in any way explain to cyan players why your
character is being mean to them OOCly, you could probably just afford to not engage with them at that moment, I think?"
Temi claims, "Roll over"
A roly-poly white-bellied puppy flops over onto its back and promptly rolls over half way before it
stops, feet wiggling in the air before it falls back over.
A roly-poly black puppy flops over onto its back and promptly rolls over half way before it stops,
feet wiggling in the air before it falls back over.
ThatBard pontificates, "Roll over!"
A roly-poly white-bellied puppy flops over onto its back and promptly rolls over half way before it
stops, feet wiggling in the air before it falls back over.
A roly-poly black puppy enthusiastically flops over and rolls exuberantly over - straight into
ThatBard.
Amastan says, "Cute."
StarSong claims, "I love rainbows too. But you have to wade through the dark to get to the
rainbows."
HIEROPHANT says, "It's not can't. It's won't-and-don't-have-to."
Temi queries, "Play dead?"
A roly-poly white-bellied puppy sniffs about distractedly for a few moments before it seems to
notice Temi's command. It flops over in exuberant death throes and then falls still - except a peek up towards her to see if she noticed.
A roly-poly black puppy flops over and rolls onto its back, squirming back and forth with its limbs
flailing every which way.
Amastan claims, "Temi's disassociating. Help."
Karrin says, "We do have a very dark, very niche, thing going here. It won't feel welcoming to all,
and that's unfortunate, but I'm not sure we can do much about that. We can, however, keep in mind that cyans are experiencing the game for the first time - even if you suspect they're not new, treat them as if they are unless they say otherwise. We do have people who come, and absolutely LOVE the angst, immediately, and it draws them in. We have no way of knowing which a person is going to be."
Temi says, "We were talking about puppies. It's related."
AColorlessVoid laughs at Temi.
Rambling says, "The average vile murderous gigamage or unforgiving inquisitor is OOCly obsessed with life sims, base builders, and Factorio specifically."
Ezekiel claims, "I hate how accurate that is."
Rambling claims, "They are harmless OOC."
Bigman states, "I think it's about making the scene more intense, knowing that Characters, not
Players are making mistakes and such. Walking off a cliff because your PC is going through it is
fun. Walking off a cliff because you didn't see in the room description it was a pit-fall (but in
this case the social equivalent of such) is also a fact of the game, and I will just roll a new PC,
but I'd prefer the former over the latter every time.
Like Karrin says, the angst and darkness is part of the theme, but it will make the experience
cooler and more intense if we make sure the rampup on both sides is IC errors and decisions, not just OOC mistakes."
Karrin says, "And, that said, we have had some... pretty sensitive stuff going on recently, which
makes every slight feel bigger, in some ways. And, we have had some people who gentle reminders or questions, even ICly, that I've seen the other player blow WAY UP. So, it doesn't always seem like it's the established players escalating without warnings. Sometimes it feels like the cyan is, and in that case, there are certain assumptions that will be made. Like that since they're blowing things up and out of proportion, they're ok with it."
Karrin questions, "So, we will just promise, as a pbase as a whole, to be more sensitive, and make sure we warn, even if the escalation seems to be coming from cyan-side. Can my established agree to that?"
StarSong says OOCly, "I can appreciate the fact that you can turn brief on and there's a helpfile to screen readers. But can you oocly tell people you're roleplayingthat? "
Karrin claims to StarSong, "For screen reading, you want to do several things. Turn on screenreader,and turn off color."
Temi states, "Absolutely fine to mention it OOCly to people"
Prythe claims, "Agreed, Karrin."
Scarry states, "Sure. I do want people be oocly comfortable"
Karrin states, "Other than that, it's none of other people's business if you're using a screen
reader, unless you want to tell them."
StarSong claims, "Thank you."
Karrin questions to Frederick, "Does that help - if the playerbase promises to be more conscious of escalations, and warn appropriately?"
Capitalism claims, "Side note... It's been well over a year since it happened so... Just peeking
through a priest's pocket got someone else whipped for all kinds of horrible things. Was it blown
out of proportion? Yes. Did it make for some rather fun RP later? yes as well."
Karrin states, "But that also takes cyans not taking offense to warnings - which are, arguably,
OOC."
Karrin states, "And established players being VERY NICE about what they put in warnings. They're meant to be gentle OOC nudges and a warning of possible consequences, and should be worded as such."
Capitalism claims, "Not all blown out of proportion RP is bad... it just needs a way to deal with
it. Take revenge on the person who was mean to you."
Capitalism sagenods.
Ysandre is no longer idle.
HIEROPHANT says, "Some folks are so nervous about it they ask staff to send the warnings, too.”
Bigman says, "I will never mind a warning, fully. If the trouble-stirring is intentional, it also
feels like being acknowledged for my hard work being a gremlin <3 "
Ikeala states, "I will say this: this is also a hidden role game, sometimes you literally cannot
explain OOCly the reasons for some things. As it's both against policy to reveal some things OOC to people and because being seen as a jerk is arguably, better than any alternatives."
Karrin states, "They do! And... we do. If I ever don't reply, I'm not here. I apologize. But, I do
log my tells, so when I come back, I'll see it."
Karrin claims, "We do very much have covert guilds."
Frederick states, "I'm very glad you took this in earnest stride, Karrin. And I'm glad to know what
I said was taken seriously. I'll be on the lookout and hopefully things should be alright."
Rambling claims, "There's two of them unless KArrin is hiding a third."
Prythe states, "We're glad to have you, Fred.
"Temi says, "No comment"
Scarry states, "We don't talk about the third covert guild."
Temi grins
Bigman asks, "Oh, you mean you WERENT invited to the secret circle?"
Karrin says mysteriously, "You shall never know."
AColorlessVoid says, "Its the banker guild. We're Overt Covert."
AColorlessVoid nods.
Rambling states, "Finds out by making my next character deliberately part of it"
Karrin claims to Frederick, "I'll put up a quick announcement board with a few key points from this convo for people who weren't here. Both reminders for cyans about theme, etc, and reminders for established about the warnings."
HIEROPHANT claims, "That's where I put all my smuggled doubloons"
Lochan declaims, "This is still going one?!"
Karrin says to Lochan, "IT IS."
Scarry states, "LOL"
Calivion claims, "Ikeala, I guess we need to get hose out again. "
HIEROPHANT sweeps Lochan back into the bowl with a broom.
Lochan says, "One. On. Under. Over."
Karrin states, "Ok, did we have any more topics? We've hit and passed the top of the hour."
Lochan scrolls up to play ketchup.
Rambling claims, "The week has been a week lochan."
MaskedHarlequin pontificates, "I did! A quick one I think!"
HIEROPHANT claims, "I thought we did yeah"
Lochan claims, "I was away most of the week, I did a holiday."
Rambling queries, "I think Ysandre had one?"
Karrin says to MaskedHarlequin, "That's right, go ahead."
Karrin states to Rambling, "She let another person go."
MaskedHarlequin queries, "So on a similar line of crafting from Rosamund, could we get porcelain and pottery shot glasses added?"
HIEROPHANT queries, "...ideas board?"
Scarry states, "Seems an ideas board one."
HIEROPHANT nods.
Ikeala wonders, "How else do we drink sake in style?"
Rambling wonders, "Those don't already exist? I thought they did, is it JUST wood and glass?"
Rosamund trails off, "Which reminds me that I need to add an idea board too for an art craft..."
MaskedHarlequin declares, "Exactly Ikeala!"
ThatBard declaims, "I approve. More pottery!"
HIEROPHANT claims, "Metal ones too, I think."
Meiari agrees with Ikeala then does 10 prayers of warding.
Capitalism questions, "Does this mean someone is going to take over the Three Cups?"
MaskedHarlequin claims, "Wood, glass, metal. No Art."
HIEROPHANT says, "They'll have to call it Four Cups now."
Karrin claims to HIEROPHANT, "Bad."
HIEROPHANT grins.
Scarry claims, "Better than two girls, one cup."
Ikeala states, "Four of Cups, maybe."
Meiari states to Scarry, "Bad."
Temi claims, "Hrm. We'll have to take a look at that."
Scarry states, "Nyehehehe"
Capitalism would get the whip but Scarry would like that.
Scarry says, ";)"
Capitalism shuns Scarry.
Temi claims, "We do want the dedicated crafts to be the better choices in general, rather than
artwork to be the catch-all that can do everything"
Temi states, "So they won't necessarily have all the choices that all the more fleshed-out crafts
will have"
HIEROPHANT says to Temi, "Well, jeweling and woodwork do have more varieties of drinking vessels than artwork, even with this, yes? I don't think there's porcelain flasks or barrels."
Lochan is still trying to ketchup on the fry.
Temi says, "Yeah, will take a look and see how it tilts the balance"
AColorlessVoid declaims, "Oh, I've been meaning to ask either Temi or Karrin a question, but it can wait for a tell. Just mentioning it here so I won't as easily forget like I have been forgetting for two days!"
Karrin states to AColorlessVoid, "Gotcha."
MaskedHarlequin exclaims, "Alright fair enough. I didn't realize it was a balance thing. I just
wanted the material more than anything. No worries!"
HIEROPHANT questions, "Any other topics?"
ThatBard asks, "Can we add actual barrel objects to hold large amounts of liquid as a Woodworking craft?"
ThatBard states, "I will make an idea board. Sorry."
say You guys are killing me. I have an even after this.
Scarry says, "You guys are killing me. I have an even after this."
Karrin claims, "I think casks and fountains cover that, but yeah... alrighty. All set everyone? I
can send you back to grid."
Scarry claims, "I need to sleep eventually... PLEASE."
Karrin states to Scarry, "Denied."
Karrin declares, "Have fun!"
Scarry claims, "COME TO THE MADISON BTW WE DO AN OATH CEREMONY"
AColorlessVoid questions, "Wait, one more thing. How long can we make Scarry wait?"
HIEROPHANT pontificates, "You can't actually make empty ones, currently, but you CAN buy them from brewing supply shops. They're reusable!"
Bigman states, "Sleep is for the weak, you will suffer with the rest of us GMT folks."